Johnny’s Drive In Grill — Raleigh’s First and Finest, Raleigh, North Carolina
This week on Flashback Friday we feature a dual-view ‘linen’ postcard depicting Johnny’s Drive-In Grill and the adjacent Johnny’s Supper Club. Raleigh’s first and finest.
Ate Lunch here 9/22/51
This postcard was never mailed, so I’m guessing the penciled notation was probably written by a traveling businessman as a reminder of the various stops he visited along the east coast north-south highway artery, US Route 1.
Raleigh businessman John (Johnny) W. Griffin erected the art moderne styled grill and restaurant just outside the Raleigh city limits in 1948. Within 10 years he had added a motel to the complex — Johnny’s Motor Lodge.
Johnny’s Supper Club, Drive-In Grill & Motor Lodge (John W. Griffin), Western Steaks, Charcoal Steaks, Chicken in Rough, Seafood. We cater to parties from 5 to 150, Air Conditioned Rooms, TV, Room Service. 1625 Louisburg Rd, Tel TEmple 3-1901.
— Raleigh City Directory, 1959
Johnny’s offered all the amenities the automobile-traveling public could wish for. (I have no idea what ‘chicken in rough’ could be!)
Griffin sold the Supper Club about 1960 and the new owner renamed it the Black Steer Steakhouse. In July 1965 the iconic Raleigh landmark burned to the ground.
Reported at 3:55 a.m. by telephone by a passing motorist. Firefighters battled the blaze in a heavy rainstorm. The fire was started by a faulty thermostat on the deep-fat fryer. The restaurant was built in 1948 and operated for 10 years as Johnny’s Supper Club. Loss $136,416.
— N&O July 29, 1965 (Cited by Mike Legeros)
Griffin expanded the motel and grill in the early 1960s and updated the restaurant with one of Raleigh’s first modernist ‘googie’ style canopies.
Johnny’s Grill still offered curb service when I was in high school in the late ’60s and was a favorite hangout for my friends and me. I’ll never forget sitting in the car and wolfing down shakes and burgers under that googie canopy. Flash forward to 2012 — the original grill building still stands, but has undergone extensive remodelings in the past 45 years and is barely recognizable to the image seen in the postcard. And the googie canopy is long gone.
This week’s postcard is an example of the ‘linen’ type, popular from the 1930s until the ‘photochrome’ type replaced it in the 1950s. This card was published by Henry H. Ahrens of Charlotte, N.C.
‘Linen’ is a reference to a postcard that has a linen-like fabric texture embossed into its front surface. The Curt Teich Company of Chicago was the first to use this texture for large scale production starting in 1931. To increase their brilliance Linens were often spot printed with a fifth color, often light blue, which was added to the normal CYMK pallet. There are publishers who produced postcards with a linen texture on them many years earlier as novelties, but only cards manufactured after 1931 when they dominated production are referred to as Linens. Though printed alongside photochromes for many years, the use of linens ended by 1959 as chromes became more popular with the public.
“Flashback Friday†is a weekly feature of Goodnight, Raleigh! in which we showcase vintage postcards depicting our historic capital city. We hope you enjoy this week-end treat!
04/27/2012
I think Chicken in the Rough is fried chicken.
04/27/2012
Is that where the Circus Burger is now?
04/27/2012
I enjoy what you do
04/27/2012
“Chicken in the Rough†is a brand that restaurants and other food service companies can license to offer fried chicken that is prepared according to a patented recipe. Their main franchise logo shows a rooster with a bent golf club. Patrons who order Chicken in the Rough are served half a fried chicken, unjointed, which is meant to be eaten without silverware.
According to this undated document, Raleigh’s Town House was once the only franchise location for Chicken in the Rough in North Carolina. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/DougLoudenback/restaurants/chickenintherough_route66food.jpg
That document and other images (and more related information than you could ever want) can be found here: http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2006/07/north-on-lincoln-chicken-in-rough.html
According to the corporate website http://www.chickenintherough.com, the product can now be found in a total of three restaurants, two in Michigan and one in Ontario.
04/28/2012
Any info on Bell’s Drive-in in Raleigh around 1960? I remember going there a couple times at night with neighbors and it was a lively place…the kind of place where you ate in the car. It was packed with college kids, so I’m thinking it was out Hillsborough maybe where the beltline was constructed. I know there was another drive-in there, towards Meredith, Roy’s or Roger’s, and they had curb service, closed for many years but now long gone. And there was the Big Boy on Downtown Blvd. that had car service, ate there many times as a kid. But I can’t place Bell’s.
04/29/2012
Bell’s Hamburgers had a location on Downtown Blvd just north of the Fairview Drive exit. My recollection is that the burgers were $.09 each. This was, IMO, the first “fast food” in Raleigh. Shoney’s Big Boy was just a few hundred feet up the road (north at the intersection of Fenton St.) from Johnny’s Supper Club.
I was just using the Google map to refresh my memory about road names, when I moved it to show North King Charles. The picture was taken not long after last years tornado blew through the neighborhood. What a sight. You can follow the path of the tornado across Raleigh by following the blue tarps on rooftops across Raleigh. Way cool.
04/30/2012
Skillet – good call on fried chicken. I’ve never heard that term ‘in the rough’ before.
Curt — thanks for the low-down on ‘Chicken in the Rough.’ I still don’t remember it though.
Pineview — Johnny’s was just up the road from Circus (which was an open-air Dairy Queen back in the ’60s). Johnny’s grill is now the ‘Zanziba Club,’ the motor lodge is now the ‘Capitol Inn’ and the supper club is an asphalt parking lot — all exceedingly tawdry and seedy.
hollywoodgirl — don’t remember Bell’s. The first fast food burger joint I remember was ‘Chiips’ right where Downtown Blvd crosses Crabtree Creek. Hamburgers were 15 cents. It later became a Hardees and now a car dealership is there, I think.
RaleighNative — def remember Shoney’s. That over life-sized statue of the ‘Big Boy’ at the restaurant entrance used to creep me out.
DavidB — Thanks for the comps! Hope you will keep reading Goodnight Raleigh!
04/30/2012
I don’t ever remember that Shoney’s having curb service. It might have been before my time. I don’t remember Bell’s but I do remember both Johnny’s and Finch’s when they had curb service.
I lived next door to one of the franchise owners for Chip’s for several years. There was also one on New Bern and the building is still there – a tire store now. Both eventually became Hardees. See: http://www.agilitynut.com/eateries/aframechips.html
Johnny’s and that entire area along Pigeon House Creek has flooded many times. That has probably led to its demise over the years. But when I was little, it was a happening part of town: Johnny’s, Shoney’s, Dunkin Donuts, the bowling alley, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and the long-forgotten-by-many Arlen’s Department Store.
04/30/2012
Remember when Andy Griffith opened a restaurant I think by the Arlen’s…his big smiling face on the side of the building, easily seen from the highway, very disturbing. Didn’t last long. Shoney’s, when it was just Big Boy, had the ordering machines you would talk into. This was 1959-60 or so. I remember the machines being out of commission for quite some time before being removed. Nine cent hamburgers at Bell’s must have been real health food. It’s a wonder we survived 1960’s cuisine. Now we won’t even drink unfiltered water.
04/30/2012
All right, now I’m upset…just checked map for Downtown/Capital/North Blvd. Haven’t looked at that area lately, or ever on Google; it never was Raleigh’s finest, I left Raleigh some 20 years ago, and it’s still a mess. My father worked at Exide across from the Farmer’s Market, his fishing buddies worked at IBM next door, and at Westinghouse up the highway. All gone, okay…but when did the Plantation Inn go? And no more Don Murray’s? When we moved to Raleigh those places, plus the Charcoal Steak House on New Bern, were the only nice places to eat on that side of town. Don Murray’s, not so much, until they built the new building with the little house on a stick. I loved the Plantation Inn, their holiday buffets. Sigh. I feel like ending it all with one of them 9 cent burgers.
04/30/2012
WHO REMEMBERS THE WINDMILL ON SOUTH SAUNDERS ST?WE WOULD ALL DRIVE INTO RALEIGH TO GO TO THE WINDMILL FOR GOOD FOOD AND CURB SERVICE.MY MEMORIES OF THAT GO BACK TO THE EARLY FIFTIES.
04/30/2012
Whoa! I’ve not thought of the Windmill Drive-In in forever. I was fascinated by the sign they had.
05/01/2012
I had forgotten about the Windmill also. Wow!
Plantation Inn was razed several years ago for a strip mall. That entire area is nothing like it used to be.
Swains on New Bern became several nightclubs before being closed because of violence in the parking lot. Not sure what’s going on there now.
Don Murray’s restaurant building is now a pawn shop, I believe. I remember being fascinated by that little house.
The Westinghouse Building is a fairly nice office space now. I think the city of Raleigh owns it.
Does anyone remember when there was a drive-in movie on US#1 (now Capital Boulevard) where the beltline is? I’ve seen aerial pictures of the area from the 1950s that clearly shows one being there. There was also one farther out (The Forest) and one on 64 (The Tower).
I love these threads.
05/08/2012
Whoa, flashback! wow. As kids we went to the drive in movies at The Tower and The Forest with family. The tower had a mini playground in front of the screen. There was another drive in movie…I want to say on 401 S…..it was the XXX one. I can’t remember the name for sure, it may have been The Center Drive In, but I do remember as a child, when we would to be riding with a grown up after dark….and just happen to be coming down that way….we were made to cover our eyes because you could see part of the XXX screen when coming down the highway.
05/08/2012
Yes, but I was told by a bad boy, if traffic by the Center Drive-in was running slow enough, and you wore Polaroid lens sunglasses at night, you could peek between the poles of stadium floodlights they had put up so tender young eyes wouldn’t be polluted by lust, and if you peeked successfully you could catch a glimpse of naughty bits. Seems like a lot of work for not much payoff.
05/13/2012
I remember the Windmill Drive In! As a country bumbkin’ moved to Raleigh….I had my first pc. of Pizza there in 1950? Boy, was it good.
05/16/2012
I grew up across the street from Johnny’s. We used to listen to the bands play there @ night on the weekends. Johnny’s Drive Inn was a great place to go for curb service to get a PBR on the weekends when we were in high school…they weren’t real sticky about checking ID. The Circus used to be a Dairy Queen. Shoney’s definately had curb service….Shoney’s to Hardees (across from the Farmer’s Market was our cruise route…with frequent trips to Bells and The Piggy Park/Kwix. On Weekend nights WKIX manned a booth @ The Piggy Park and took requests.
05/16/2012
OH! And Johnny Griffin, Johnny’s owner, lived in a house behind the drive inn. The house was on sort of an island between 2 creeks and flooded regularly.
05/17/2012
Ronnyg — I think the flooding must have been the impetus for Johhny to build a house in 1958 across the road on Fenton St., in the new neighborhood ‘Woodcrest’ (where I grew up). I well remember he had the only enclosed garage in the neighborhood, the electric door of which had a huge gothic letter “G” emblazoned on it!
05/17/2012
Where exactly was the “Piggy Park”? I always thought it was between the Plantation Inn and Gresham’s Lake.
05/17/2012
Piggy Park was across the Blvd from Bells. What is now known as Castle Adult Videos.
05/17/2012
Yes. That was the Griffins house after they moved. I grew up in Belvedere Park and was a delivery boy for the Raleigh Times and News and Disturber for many years in Belvedere Park and Woodcrest Homes. My brother and I used to run and play in the woods there before Woodcrest Homes was built. Good times as I remember. We moved to Belvedere in 1949. At that time it was outside the city limits.
05/18/2012
I also grew up in Woodcrest. My family moved there in 1958. I hadn’t thought about Chiips or the Griffins’ house with the “G’ on the garage in years. Many thanks to Raleigh Boy for so many posts that enable me to see places in Raleigh I knew so well in my early years.
12/19/2012
I was a curb hop at th Piggy Park for 4 years. I was known as Butch the fast curb boy.
Then it changed and became Kwix self service.
I am now 68 and living in Jefferson N c
04/13/2013
Great read. All these things bring back memories. I worked at Bells for years. Fantastic job. I was away at school and whenever I came home and wanted to work, just went to Bell’s, put on my apron and the manager, Bill Dove, would just say “Welcome back, and don’t forget to mop the women’s john.”
Piggy Park was the big deal, along with Chips and Shoney’s. We rode around those places until we were sick. Later on, a friend who had left for Vietnam when we were riding Bell’s, Shoney’s, Chips, Bell’s, Shoney’s, Chips began doing it like we did before he left. When we told him no one did it any more, he seemed really sad.
So many great places are now gone. All the places that were mentioned and another, Wayne’s Rollercade, which is now buried under the Beltline. Many fantastic hours spent there.
04/22/2013
Dan-I learned to skate at Wayne’s Rollercade one Saturday afternoon when I was in the sixth grade(1962) My butt was so sore from all the falls I could barely sit through Church and Sunday School the next day. I remember Wayne’s Rollercade being a blue collar place and a little on the rough side. The music was loud and the floor was dusty. I skated there only a half dozen times or so. Fun times indeed!
04/23/2013
I’m a little younger than some of the other readers here. I was four in 1962 and don’t know where Wayne’s Rollercade was located. Someone said that it’s buried under the Beltline, but where was it near? I can’t remember a time before there was at least part of the Beltline.
04/23/2013
Brian-The skating rink was on the right side of Garner Rd.(going out of town) not far from downtown Raleigh. It was between the old International Tractor dealership and K&l scrap yard. My recollection is that the location would have been a little south of the new Beltline, but I’m positive of that.
04/23/2013
Correction…”not positive of that” I meant to say.
04/24/2013
Thanks Al. That gives me the general idea.
04/24/2013
Of course, old time Raleigh folks sometimes refer to the southern portion of the Beltline as new because it was the last section completed. According to this site, it opened in 1984:
http://www.gribblenation.com/ncpics/raleigh/beltline.html
(Some fascinating maps on that page, but it hasn’t been updated in 8 years, so other info may no longer be accurate.)
01/27/2014
Does anybody remember the name of the BBQ restaurant on South Sanders, closer to Garner than the WagonWheel? They sold Select oysters, and Daddy would send me to buy a pint so he could make stew….around 1976….
01/27/2014
I believe the restaurant you are talking about was Sauls BBQ. They used to either dip or coat their french fries and they were fantastic.
07/09/2014
I STARTED GOING DANCING AT JOHNNY’S IN 1990. IT WAS A COOL PLACE! I HAD HAIR DOWN TO MY WAIST…ANYONE REMEMBER GOING DURING THE NINETIES?I LOVED THE BANDS! SEND ME A FRIEND REQUEST ON FACEBOOK!
07/24/2014
Wow !!! Sauls barbecue. Loved those fries!
Wayne’s Rollercade! My first chance to hold a girls hand while couple skating !
08/11/2014
WHO ARE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WENT DANCING AT JOHNNY’S REGULARLY IN THE EARLY NINETIES? WHO WERE SOME OF THE BANDS? THANKS!!!
12/17/2014
Did the original Johnny’s have a “Johnny’s” monogram on their drinking glasses? I am looking at an old photo of my fathers from the late 1940’s to the early 1950’s. (I grew up in Durham.) He is with a group of people in a restaurant or club. All the clear drinking glasses are monogramed. Zooming in on one glass, under the “Johnny’s” logo, I can make out the end of what looks like “..gh, N.C.”. I am thinking that it says “Raleigh, N.C.” and I came across this page. The writing is fancy, similar to say the Coca-Cola logo.
10/06/2015
Anyone who remembers the Windmill, do you have any photos of the place. My parents met there when my Dad was the manager & tired her to waitress.
12/21/2019
There use to be Drive-in restaurant on Hillsboro Street almost under the beltline bridge it was the drive-in restaurant It was on the left side coming from downtown Raleigh I cannot think of the name of it to save my soul it had some of the best hamburgers in Raleigh does anybody remember it
05/06/2021
Any body remember the red pig bbq joint on s Saunders open pit fringe those pork skins great bbq for a shabby place
05/28/2023
I want to see if any carhops are still around that caught curb at Johnnys Drive-in grill on Capital Blvd. I have a collection of the cards of the name of the carhops that were serving us in the 1950’s. I was dating then and we always went to Johnny’s after going to the Drive-n theatre. Ordered the best Cheeseburger and Chocolate shake. Now that was the good ole’ days. People do not know how to have fun today.
Today my last name is Russell. If anyone remembers these times please try to get in touch with me. I would love to talk about old times.
Thanks
07/29/2023
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08/26/2024
I found a matchbook in my grandmother’s scrapbook she made in 1945 with an advertisement for Whispering Pines Drive In located “2 miles South on 15A Raleigh NC,” which seemingly negates Johnny’s stance that his was the first.