Yeah man, God forbid people protest something in the United States, ya know?
Joaquin Canals
11/08/2011
HYPE, please let me know what IT IS they are proptesting. No hurry, I have all day.
HYPE
11/08/2011
Economic inequality.
There, now you have the rest of the day to be a douche bag.
HYPE
11/08/2011
And if it bothers you that bad, Joaquin, you should start a “proptest” of your own!
Joaquin
11/09/2011
Oh, that’s funny, HYPE! You’re obviously short on bullets, but big on name calling. Never saw that one coming……………..
Anyway, so these folks are protesting economic inequality, as in:
1. They want money from folks that have more than they do?
2. They’ve made bad decisions in their lives and now want to be bailed out……………….with other people’s money?
3. They resent the fact that others work and make money, have homes, run businesses, employ people, send kids to school, invest in their retirement, buy things, pay taxes, donate to charity, etc etc etc. They resent that?
Do get back to me.
HYPE
11/11/2011
1.) Of course they don’t want money from folks that have more than they do! No one is ignorant enough to base an movement off that (well, I guess maybe communists.) What they do want is for the money to be handled differently and fairly- no lobbyists paying off politicians, no bailing out banks while small businesses fail, no tax cuts for the already super rich, etc. This will, no doubt, create more economic equality, but these people are not communists or socialists. There wouldn’t be such widespread support if they were.
2.) They are upset about the banks being bailed out by our money. Corporations and Congress are the ones who have made bad decisions, not the average American. Besides, most of the people who are in this movement have jobs- including me (a pretty nice one at that.) Now, if you believe that all the people who are extremely wealthy in this country “earned it” by the sweat of their brow and that all poor people are “lazy”, then, no offense, you’re completely insane. Some rich people did get there by working hard and by luck, but, by and large, their race, gender, familial relations, and other factors played a larger part than their work ethic. To illustrate this point: Most CEO’s and Congressmen are, in fact, white men (pretty well known fact)- so you’d think with around half of the people in this country being women, there would be more women in power, but there aren’t. Same goes for black and Hispanic and Asian people, which are also underrepresented in both private and public sectors. Of course, going off the logic you’ve based your argument on, these people must be “lazy”- women and minorities are just lazy, that’s why they’re not CEO’s and Congresspeople. It follows also, that only white men are hard working, because only hard working people get to the top in this scenario. Now, if you acknowledge that other people (women, blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are just as hardworking (which I believe you would), then your argument falls apart, because those people aren’t represented equally in positions of power. Thus, not all hard workers rise to the top, in fact, many don’t- and that’s a shame. Either way you decide to argue, you must acknowledge that the “hard workers get to the top and lazy people are poor” logic is flawed. Now, let’s illustrate this point further, more concretely. Princeton University- pretty prestigious school, right? I bet every student who’s worked the hardest in this country goes there. Problem is, in 2008, 40.2% of their incoming freshmen are there because mom and dad went there. I guess, by that logic, then 40.2% % of Princeton babies are smart enough to go there and beat out their competition, out of all the people in the USA and in the world. That’s silly to think they all are. And I bet the talented non-legacies won’t get into Harvard or Yale either- because their legacy rates are about the same. The movie Goodwill Hunting, though fictional, is a pretty good example of this- particularly the bar scene. So you can’t convince me that the notion that everyone who works hard and is honest gets where they deserve in an age of outsourcing, subprime lending, loopholes, etc. is still valid. It just isn’t, and that’s as sad to me as it is to you. I think this Movement is seeking to get back to that notion, to preserve it as a national identity.
3.) They resent the fact that others (banks, corporate heads, politicians) have cheated and manipulated the rest of America to get money by using lobbyists, loop holes, questionable practices (like robo signing), etc. We all know this is happening- we all resent it, and we should resent it. Most every single person in front of the NC Capitol building right now makes money, has a home, runs a business, employs people, sends their kids to school, invests in retirement, buys things, pays taxes, donates to charity, etc- including me (sans the kids part- not yet at least.)
The fact of the matter is I don’t want to argue with you, Joaquin, especially on GoodnightRaleigh. I compliment you on opening up a dialogue with me- most people don’t want to about these types of issues. However, as I’ve pointed out, your argument is inherently flawed. We as a country have to redefine what America is going to be in the next century- especially with regards to economic inequality and government regulation. The Occupy movement is a reminder about how our country was born (people protesting and taking to the streets), and it’s pretty neat to see people of all ages/colors/genders/life styles out raising some Hell about something- they’re taking their citizenship seriously. To me, that’s the most American there is.
jayare
11/11/2011
2.) They are upset about the banks being bailed out by our money.
Well, then, they should be protesting in Washington, DC.
Hey guys, I consider this an open forum and am a strong proponent of expressing views of any political slant, but I’d like to see this debate wind down.
This blog is apolitical and although I won’t suppress reader comments, I’d like to see the conversation steer toward local issues and away from national politics.
Thanks.
Joaquin
11/15/2011
I’m cool with that!
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11/04/2011
Yeah man, God forbid people protest something in the United States, ya know?
11/08/2011
HYPE, please let me know what IT IS they are proptesting. No hurry, I have all day.
11/08/2011
Economic inequality.
There, now you have the rest of the day to be a douche bag.
11/08/2011
And if it bothers you that bad, Joaquin, you should start a “proptest” of your own!
11/09/2011
Oh, that’s funny, HYPE! You’re obviously short on bullets, but big on name calling. Never saw that one coming……………..
Anyway, so these folks are protesting economic inequality, as in:
1. They want money from folks that have more than they do?
2. They’ve made bad decisions in their lives and now want to be bailed out……………….with other people’s money?
3. They resent the fact that others work and make money, have homes, run businesses, employ people, send kids to school, invest in their retirement, buy things, pay taxes, donate to charity, etc etc etc. They resent that?
Do get back to me.
11/11/2011
1.) Of course they don’t want money from folks that have more than they do! No one is ignorant enough to base an movement off that (well, I guess maybe communists.) What they do want is for the money to be handled differently and fairly- no lobbyists paying off politicians, no bailing out banks while small businesses fail, no tax cuts for the already super rich, etc. This will, no doubt, create more economic equality, but these people are not communists or socialists. There wouldn’t be such widespread support if they were.
2.) They are upset about the banks being bailed out by our money. Corporations and Congress are the ones who have made bad decisions, not the average American. Besides, most of the people who are in this movement have jobs- including me (a pretty nice one at that.) Now, if you believe that all the people who are extremely wealthy in this country “earned it” by the sweat of their brow and that all poor people are “lazy”, then, no offense, you’re completely insane. Some rich people did get there by working hard and by luck, but, by and large, their race, gender, familial relations, and other factors played a larger part than their work ethic. To illustrate this point: Most CEO’s and Congressmen are, in fact, white men (pretty well known fact)- so you’d think with around half of the people in this country being women, there would be more women in power, but there aren’t. Same goes for black and Hispanic and Asian people, which are also underrepresented in both private and public sectors. Of course, going off the logic you’ve based your argument on, these people must be “lazy”- women and minorities are just lazy, that’s why they’re not CEO’s and Congresspeople. It follows also, that only white men are hard working, because only hard working people get to the top in this scenario. Now, if you acknowledge that other people (women, blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are just as hardworking (which I believe you would), then your argument falls apart, because those people aren’t represented equally in positions of power. Thus, not all hard workers rise to the top, in fact, many don’t- and that’s a shame. Either way you decide to argue, you must acknowledge that the “hard workers get to the top and lazy people are poor” logic is flawed. Now, let’s illustrate this point further, more concretely. Princeton University- pretty prestigious school, right? I bet every student who’s worked the hardest in this country goes there. Problem is, in 2008, 40.2% of their incoming freshmen are there because mom and dad went there. I guess, by that logic, then 40.2% % of Princeton babies are smart enough to go there and beat out their competition, out of all the people in the USA and in the world. That’s silly to think they all are. And I bet the talented non-legacies won’t get into Harvard or Yale either- because their legacy rates are about the same. The movie Goodwill Hunting, though fictional, is a pretty good example of this- particularly the bar scene. So you can’t convince me that the notion that everyone who works hard and is honest gets where they deserve in an age of outsourcing, subprime lending, loopholes, etc. is still valid. It just isn’t, and that’s as sad to me as it is to you. I think this Movement is seeking to get back to that notion, to preserve it as a national identity.
3.) They resent the fact that others (banks, corporate heads, politicians) have cheated and manipulated the rest of America to get money by using lobbyists, loop holes, questionable practices (like robo signing), etc. We all know this is happening- we all resent it, and we should resent it. Most every single person in front of the NC Capitol building right now makes money, has a home, runs a business, employs people, sends their kids to school, invests in retirement, buys things, pays taxes, donates to charity, etc- including me (sans the kids part- not yet at least.)
The fact of the matter is I don’t want to argue with you, Joaquin, especially on GoodnightRaleigh. I compliment you on opening up a dialogue with me- most people don’t want to about these types of issues. However, as I’ve pointed out, your argument is inherently flawed. We as a country have to redefine what America is going to be in the next century- especially with regards to economic inequality and government regulation. The Occupy movement is a reminder about how our country was born (people protesting and taking to the streets), and it’s pretty neat to see people of all ages/colors/genders/life styles out raising some Hell about something- they’re taking their citizenship seriously. To me, that’s the most American there is.
11/11/2011
2.) They are upset about the banks being bailed out by our money.
Well, then, they should be protesting in Washington, DC.
11/11/2011
Hey guys, I consider this an open forum and am a strong proponent of expressing views of any political slant, but I’d like to see this debate wind down.
This blog is apolitical and although I won’t suppress reader comments, I’d like to see the conversation steer toward local issues and away from national politics.
Thanks.
11/15/2011
I’m cool with that!